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Jaina ([personal profile] effervescible) wrote2005-11-08 09:11 am
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So tiresome.

Can we agree to a moratorium on "I like slash as much as the next person, but why do people slash THIS pairing? It doesn't make sense because they seem so straight/there's an age difference/they have canon interests....etc" posts?

Wishful thinking, I know. And sometimes I even agree with the poster. But really--this kind of thing is getting so boring and most slash is based on subtext, which is more than a little bendy depending on who's interpreting it. So why bother?

[identity profile] gynocrat-rex.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Well you know, what is up with yaoi?

I mean really. Why do writers find certain characters attractive and feel the need to create scenarios for them in genres that turn them on? This guy turns me on, yaoi fiction turns me on, so I’m going to write this guy in some yaoi fiction. Oh no, it can’t be as simple as a humans creative logic at work here, there must be something I’m not grasping because so many slashers are doing it and I just don’t get it.

Let me shake the pink magic 8-Ball my daddy’s insta-credit card got me at the mall last month and find my answer that way.

*shake shake shake*

[identity profile] jaina.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 02:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I think some of the people who write these posts just don't quite get that everyone has different standards for what makes sense as far as pairings go. Sure, some of them are just homophobes, but others are anything but yet they still don't get certain pairings. I can understand the way they think; their are some pairings that just baffle me, but I just remind myself that what I think makes sense is not the universal standard and yes, "it's hot" is a valid standard. After all, I don't have to read the fic or even think it's at all plausible.

I just wish fandom could find a more interesting issue to stalemate over.

[identity profile] gynocrat-rex.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 03:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Like the infamous - please warn if you're going to rape your uke and make him fall in love with seme - rant.
While the the rant is valid, the stalemate about 'validate the rape' still wages on.

[identity profile] jaina.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 03:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Now I want to think of some really creative rants to liven things up. *ponders*

[identity profile] fallofrain.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 02:51 pm (UTC)(link)
This doesn't just go for yaoi with me, it's just about any pairing in any fandom. I have my own personal standards. There are some pairings I just would never 'ship. I used to actually be vocal about it.

These days, I find that it's downright arrogant of me to go around saying 'X 'ship is just wrong because of (insert my own personal opinion here)'. Be that as it may, no one else really gives a shit, especially not people who like X 'ship. Or maybe I've just seen too much 'OMG you should never 'ship those two because my own personal opinion says it's just not right!!11111'.

[identity profile] jaina.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it extends to non-yaoi for most people, but I'd say at least 80% of the time this kind of posts focuses on yaoi. Het crack!pairings are still crack!pairings, but they seem to get by with a shrug and a "eh, whatever" more than yaoi does. It would be far too simple to put it down to homophobia, but I wonder if there's a certain volatility to "changing" someone's orientation that just makes people go nutty.

[identity profile] rosehiptea.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 07:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I've seen rants on het crack!pairings though... that FFVII one made Fandom Wank. But yes, I think for many people, even totally non-homophobic people, characters are percieved as "seeming straight" much more often than they are percieved as "seeming gay."

And occasionally you get the "Maes Hughes is married and loves his family so you can't write slash about him!" business... I know many people who agree but it's not like married men never cheat on their wives with other men.

To be honest, not that many characters in my fandoms (Harry Potter and shounen anime mostly) seem "gay" to me but I don't let that stop me from slashing them. But I have a friend who is a slasher and thinks the idea that Severus Snape could be straight is completely laughable, and I just cannot relate to why she thinks that. (She also thinks Ron is straight and not even possibly bi, yet I'm the one who writes Ron/Harry. Go figure.)

Sorry, rambled a bit, but this is a topic that interests me.

[identity profile] fallofrain.livejournal.com 2005-11-09 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I hear you on that. I write slash in several different fandoms (I also write het and yuri) and I get a nice backlash of 'Well, ok but I don't really see those two being gay in the series' more often than not.

Though I did have someone threaten to kill me once for a non-standard het pairing.

[identity profile] mistressrenet.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I'll still say 'that pairing doesn't really work for me' if someone recs it to me or something, but otherwise? No one really gives a fuck about your opinion, you know? Well, I care about yours. XD

[identity profile] fallofrain.livejournal.com 2005-11-09 01:06 am (UTC)(link)
*snort* No one /should/ care about my opinion. X)

[identity profile] fadingembers.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
My moratorium involved defriending [livejournal.com profile] fanficrants.

But what are your thoughts on yaoi?

[identity profile] gynocrat-rex.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 03:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I never friended. I only get the occasional 'dose of doofai' by way of Nico or Jaina. ((^_^))

[identity profile] jaina.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 03:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I should've defriended long ago but
a) interesting things do come along
b) very occasionally I like to post myself
c) I'm already a member so I can comment on the wanky bits instead of watching from f_w
d) I've been there so lng I feel kind of loyal
e) Idiot Girl is there now and even though she'd have nothing to do with me leaving it, I have that whole "I'm not letting her run me off" idea now. XD Which is funny, considering I usually forget she's even there and get a jolt when she's suddenly on my flist.

[identity profile] fadingembers.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 04:51 pm (UTC)(link)
That's how I stay updated on the good stuff, too! Otherwise, it was clogging up my flist with "I hate ______(insert pairing/Mary Sue gripe here)!" and it was repetitive and not interesting. Bah.

[identity profile] imre-nico.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 05:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I never friended them either. I just 'stalk' people.

[identity profile] gynocrat-rex.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Stalkity stalk stalk stalk...

[identity profile] mistressrenet.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Me too.

[identity profile] fallofrain.livejournal.com 2005-11-09 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Imagine modding that community. I have to monitor it no matter how much I'd like to remove it.

I've pondered deleting it a couple of times, but like soddam and gomorrah, there's a few people trying to convince me there's enough 'good posts' to keep it up.

But if I do delete it, don't look back, I take no responsibility for any pillars of salt on lj.

[identity profile] sarahtheboring.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
If you spell "each other" as one word, you instantly lose anyway. Rule by literacy.

Anime fandom is still fighting over sub vs. dub, twenty years after the question started up and ten years after DVDs made it a moot point. People looove their dead horses.

[identity profile] arafel.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 04:50 pm (UTC)(link)
[livejournal.com profile] fanficrants: same shit, different day. I'm only there for the wank.

[identity profile] gynocrat-rex.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Priests in the Catholic clergy can't have sex.

Yeah...tell that to the dozens of ex-altar boys showing up in court to testify.

[identity profile] angstymcgoth.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 07:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh lord >_< It's too early for this.

Anytime this rant comes up, it's like a big flaming n00b sign. How long do you have to be on the internet before you realize people will slash anything with two legs and a dick?

[identity profile] gynocrat-rex.livejournal.com 2005-11-08 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Even the 'slash' itself is phallic
In a sexy stick-figure sort of way.
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[identity profile] irenak.livejournal.com 2005-11-09 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
Eh. I think there's this thing in fandom where it's assumed that no one has ever had this argument before in the history of the Internet! No, in the history of fandom! No, in the history of the WORLD!

And eventually all you want to do is go, "You know, back in my day we had to walk ten miles, in the snow, uphill, both ways just to get our Mulder/Krycek slash!" Then you wave your cane at them and tell them to get off your virtual lawn.