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obsessively analyzing the Rukia/Ichigo/Renji relationships

Oh ho ho? We gonna see a dissertation today? *_*

That's what I was thinking!

Oh icon love! And my sentiments exactly. *__*

Haha, see my comment below. And gosh, y'all keep putting Renji icons on my screen. That's so nice of you.

Hahaha nooooo. I barely REMEMBER the specifics, but we always seem to have a long discussion that boils down to "Renji(or Ichigo)Rukia is my otp, but I totally see where you're coming from and embrace you in the name of ship sisterhood. Also IchiOri makes us baffled." EVERY DAMN TIME. I'm not sure how we still have anything to say, but we do.

And then we debated how Renji and Rukia might have (separately) lost their virginity.

I'm pretty sure there was some Grey's Anatomy chatter in there too, but that's a tough crossover.

Ah Grey's Anatomy. You are awesome sauce.

Yeah, I can't imagine that Renji and Rukia have had sex with one another at this point in canon. ~~He's still too in love with her to have gotten any.~~ (Wow, I have a truly high opinion of people. Maybe it's because I judge them by my own standards?)

I can't imagine Ichi/Ori getting together but by god, I want the pretty girl to get what she wants. My unhealthy half-motherly/half-lustful crush on Orihime has not abated since she first sparkled onto the page. >_> And then she cried and I just lost it. Why can't there be enough Ichigo to go around? Why can't ALL the pretty girls get what they want? ;__;

You like it too?! What did you think? Frankly, at this point I'd rather have Meredith and Addison run off together, because even in Meredith's more annoying moments, they're both too good for McDickface.

IMHO there's too much romantic tension there (at least from Renji's direction; Rukia plays things so close to the vest it's hard to tell with her) for them to have been lovers in the past. (Though I do not object to fics where they were.) But they also grew up in Rukongai, so I really doubt they have any dreamy illusions about the magic of sex. And I think they can both see the difference between meaningful sex and sex that's just fun to have. I can see both of them having some of the latter, though I'd say it'd be a LONG time for Rukia, what with the whole noble propriety thing and then the "I DON'T DESERVE TO LIVE" issue.

IchiOri makes no sense to me. I watched all of SS arc and read through it and a while beyond without ever glancing at fandom, so I can say I wasn't influenced there, and I was stunned to find that people believe he reacts to her in a meaningful way (beyond in a friends way, of course friends are meaningful). I think the current arc just makes that clearer, but I guess everyone interprets things differently.

I want Orihime to be happy, but she's too good for Ichigo--not cuz he's objectively bad, but because their personalities would be so bad for each other. I want her to grow up, be single and happy with herself, and then I want her to get what she wants when what she wants will actually be good for her.

I'm currently crushing on Addison (though I didn't watch last night yet, FYI. I work really early and have to TiVo all prime time.) This is probably because she's the person on the show I identify with the most. She's so flawed! On a slightly different note, everyone seemed to adore McDreamy's love confession to Mere, but I thought it was cheesy writing. Love schmove!

Another secret? I haven't really been exposed to Bleach fandom yet. I just finished the series less than a week ago, and until then I was avoiding fandom like the plague due to fear of spoilers. I've still read maybe five Bleach fanfics beyond things on my Flist. You're my first Bleach friend! I really wanted to get all the pr0n out of my system before getting too influenced by fanon (because yes, even though I try not to let it happen, I believe that fanon always sneaks in there) and I still need to post my final Bleach impressions. But then I really do plan to go on a reading spree. Tons of people have recced various fic to me, so I'm going to go through those first, and then work my way out from there. For example, I don't see this Hitsu/Matsu that everyone seems to be so enamoured of. But I'm sure a good author could sell it to me. Hey, what was my point? Oh yeah! I like to think I'm not influenced by fandom yet. I see Orihime as this beautiful, pure little thing. (And god, I love how Tatsuki protects her. Even if she is a crutch.) I can 100% get behind your opinion that she needs to grow up before she's with anyone. But then, I think Rukia needs to do the same thing. What's with the beautiful Bleach girls and their crippling insecurity?? They clearly need a couple more Chizuru's (spl?) to pepper them up...

No worries, I think everything in my comment applies to everything before the latest episode, anyway. I just finished ODing on the first two seasons on DVD and it surprised me how cool Derek USED to be and how Meredith could be seriously strong and non-whiny at times. And Addison just rules, flawed as she is. Kate Walsh's portrayal has a ton to do with that. Also, her hair is SO PRETTY.

Ha, Bleach fandom actually is a lot saner than most, but you're probably better off doing your own thing for a while. And aww, I"m honored to be your first Bleach friend. ;) I can talk about it for AGES, it's really pathetic but fun. And YAY PORN. I have a hideous amount of porn in my brain, too, considering all the plottier bunnies that need work.

Hmm, Hitsu/Matsu...I like that pairing when dne right (SophiaP wrote a HILARIOUS fic for them, that's one to try when you get to recs) but I love the 10th division to pieces in all incarnations--it's the partner thing again, I think. They seem like they kick ass together so competently even if she kinda a lazy sod.

Rukia and Orihime need therapy, I think. Do they have therapists in Soul Society? I bet Byakuya's the "nobles don't need therapy, just be stoic" type. Despite her esteem issues, I think Rukia is in a better headspace for smoochies than Orihime, but she's also an adult and Orihime is just getting there. (I hate doing the "oh they're just high school kids, of course they think in such-and-such a way." Yeah, they all clearly need to grow up in different ways, but let's face it, in other ways they ARE rather grown up.)

I also have non-romantic otps. I love all Rukia & Ukitake interactions--he's such a dad to her, hence the Daddy Captain icon.

I suspect Ukitake of nefarious dealings with Urahara. I'm almost certain that Ichigo and Rukia's first meeting was entirely set up by the two of them.

I'm not sure sure about that last bit, considering he seemed so damned surprised when he found out what had happened, but I think it's likely he's had contact with Urahara and Yoruichi--but he's not the manipulator Urahara is, so I can also totally see them not telling him things he doesn't need to know so he never has to lie or fret over the shadier stuff.

I totally think he's involved as the Shoten's wholesaler, though.

This is exactly why despite the fact that IchiRuki is my OTP, IchiRenRuki runs a close close second. There is totally potential chemistry between the boys (Hi, we trained for bankai together! So gay!), and I see arguments for sticking Rukia with either of them, so the three of them together is just squee worthy.

also I'm just into that sort of thing

I enjoyed it for fic but never really bought them as a threesome until this latest chapter. (Well, I still don't REALLY think it would happen, but my objections are significantly smaller.)

I think I mentioned it in another recent thread, but I don't see Renji and Ichigo as gay--but I could see them ending up in situations where it just makes SENSE for them to have sex. With or without Rukia.

So that's several paragraphs that mean, basically, I agree with you.

Though, is it wrong that I enjoy Renji as the stoic and slightly-tortured best friend who stands by her as she deals with romantic woes with Ichigo? Poor puppy.

Dammit, I need someone to stay up all night and analyse things with!

...Except just about all I've been able to do since the last chapter is squeal. I loved everything. I loved the grateful, genuine and sweet smile Ichigo gives her even when he's sitting there with his nose half broken. He looks hurt - then as soon as he realises she's angry because he didn't wait for her, he's all fond and sweet. When do we see Ichigo sweet?

And that's after his face completely lights up when he sees them, of course. And running across the sand towards them - it could have been the ending of a bad romantic movie.

I found it interesting that Renji spent most of the time when Ichigo and Rukia were talking doing his best to look in the other direction. Giving them some space?

"Aren't we friends? Good. Now don't make me have to say that you're important to me ever again." Lolol it's so Rukia.

This chapter just made me remember why I love their interaction. And it was beautifully drawn - just watching their expressions was amazing.

Dude, yes yes yes. To all of that. Everything was just so--very great. And YES to the Renji looking away, haha, though I do think Ichigo was happy to see him as well--I like that they're friends. But sometimes I wonder if Renji has either made peace with the vibe between Ichigo and Rukia or just accepted that he's more her focus for now.

Also? I really want sex on her cloak behind a sand dune at night now. Sigh. Stupid one-track mind.

And while I doubt we can be up all night analyzing things, being in different time zones, feel free to IM me for blather anytime. :)

Ohhhh this is gonna hurt in the morning

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