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effervescible) wrote2006-04-06 11:41 am
effervescible) wrote2006-04-06 11:41 am
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KATE HAVE YOU SEEN THIS SHIT?
I want to rip some balls off with tweezers. Not just anyone's balls, because that's misandry or something. Just one set in particular. This guy's.
It’s racism at Duke, all right. Racism against white students. Members of the Duke University Lacrosse team may have abused a black party girl, but, without any proof or trial, the Duke Lacrosse team was punished by the university, suspended from further games. So terrified was the administration of being charged with “racism.” The black female wins again. She is truly an ace on the field and in court.
I love this. I just love this. A "black party girl"? First off, stripping is a job, motherfucker. It's not the best job in the world but it's a hell of a lot more honest than some, and if assholes like you weren't in power, maybe fewer people would need to do it. And yeah, this woman totally won. What's a little GANG RAPE got to do with the power of taking them white boys down?
Naturally, the name of the black girl has not been released – appropriate if she is a rape victim, inappropriate if she is engaging in scurrilous race-baiting.
So we should investigate her FIRST to determine whether she's credulous, right? Don't bother with questioning the people at the party or looking at the rape kit. It's all ON HER.
The reports say the woman is a divorced, 27-year-old “mother” of two, attending North Carolina Central University. She is not a person of note, and is said to do exotic dancing as a side job to pick up extra cash.
She's a "mother." Not a real one, hence the quotes. Like the author of this piece has a "soul." Not a person of note, either--so who cares what happens to her, really? Rape away! She doesn't matter!
The entire Duke Lacrosse team and the university may have been severely maligned on all sides. The alleged incident occurred March 13, but as of Sunday, April 2, no charges have been filed against anyone. One report says 46 of the 47 members of the team were required to submit DNA for testing. (The black member of the team, of course, was exempted, since the accuser says she was attacked by white males.)
But if they'd charged people already, you'd be screaming even louder, wouldn't you? Because it would be even MORE "racist" to rush to judgment, wouldn't it? Is this schmuck totally ignorant of investigative procedures or does he think the hourlong format of Law and Order is how things work in the real world?
And of course, it's racist to exclude the black member of the team. It's not like the woman could be expected to have noticed the skin color of her rapists. She's too dumb, the dirty stripper, and you know she'd stand by a brother anyway, because rape doesn't hurt poor people.
The story, as reported in the papers, indicates either profound social retardation on the part of the black “dancer,” or else irrationality on the part of racist-oriented reporters.
There were two women involved, one apparently white (whose name also remains unrevealed), and the other black. Police got a call from the black woman who claimed she had been yelled at by some guy in the rented quasi-frat house of the Lacrosse team. She and her companion nevertheless went back to the house to “dance,” expecting, they say, four or five college boys to be there. Idiotic mistake No. 1.
People do stupid shit all the time, but guess what: even stupid people are entitled to protection under the law. We don't let murderers off because they killed stupid people.
Then, she says, the two women were suddenly surrounded by 40-some boys, all coughing up racial epithets—presumably at the black woman. (Remember, she’s a 27-year-old-mother. Some of the team members are under twenty-one, else how could any of them have been charged with under-aged drinking?) The women then say they were so upset and frightened that they left the house.
Then, “helplessly,” the two women went back! Idiotic mistake No. 2.
SEE ABOVE, MOTHERFUCKER.
Some guy on the porch “coaxed” them back, after which time they claim the black woman was abused. So far, there are no witnesses. (So, what happened to the other woman?)
How many rapes do you know that were committed in front of a dozen witnesses? (Oh, but they'd have to be non-black, non-stripper witnesses to count.)
Two weeks later, the team was suspended from games. The team captains say that the DNA testing will prove that all the members are innocent. This, of course, if true, will mean that it was either an easy set up for the women, or else the fervor of youthful hormones blinded everyone. In the heat of passion, well-ignited before the girls even showed up, there may have been some rough-housing.
Boys will be boys. Bitch should have known better than to go inside.
That should have been a serious tip-off. Of course, a 27-year-old mother of two certainly must have more sense than a drunken 19-year-old, no? However, our nameless victim showed less maturity than a six-year-old.
A 27-year-old mother of two who strips for money probably doesn't have a lot of leeway in choosing her clients, bucko, especially if she wants to keep her children fed. Yeah, she should've had the "sense" to NOT GET RAPED. Because it's so much about her choice.
All the racial issues in this story are moot. This is a tale of stupidity on the part of two women, particularly the black woman.
And at least one monster masquerading as a columnist.
Black advocates are trying to play the racist element to the hilt. Rayone Bland, a black divinity student at Duke, thinks it’s that superiority complex of the rich whites. “So being told ‘No’ for the first time, I mean, is mind-blowing for them,” he observes.
If a rape occurred, it is inexcusable, regardless of the race of the victim or perpetrators. However, all the indications raise serious questions about this situation – and the racial hyperventilating makes the case even muddier.
Let's not worry about the actual victim. Let's worry that the privileged white boys are being persecuted. After all, they lost a season of playing around on a sports field. That's way worse than being violated by three strangers.
So, that black woman said, “No,” eh? First, she’s in a profession where she’s expected to do tricks for clients.
The word you're looking for is "prostitute," you fuckstain. That's not the same as a stripper. And even a prostitute has a right to say no whenever she wants.
Second, she’s walking into a house full of young, drunken athletes, who happen to be white. Third, she called the police and complained once; then she went back, but then left. And then she went back again! That’s a peculiar way of saying “No,” it seems to me.
Bitch should've known she was going to get raped! That must mean she really wanted it after all!
These racist black people just want a role model victim, with mistreatment wreaked upon the weakest of the weak: the black woman. All she has to do is cry, “rape by white male!” and she rules the world.
Learn a little about what "Crying rape" REALLY means before you spout off. Yes, she rules the world. She'll never have to bear the pain of having been raped, of having everyone know the kind of work she took to feed her kids, of being attacked by people like you. She's set for life.
Weak? How about “strong” – as in a strong manipulator?
I don't feel I need to say anything to this.
But she had to have the money, right? She just has to feed those children, pay that tuition, rent, car payment, and books. She’s not on welfare, scholarship, or assistance of any kind? Well, whatever she does receive may not cover her expenses. That’s quite possible.
But she's a whore, so all of this is automatically invalidated, right?
But, exotic dancing—and then to cry “abuse”? This may be pushing victimhood beyond reason.
She should've known better. She's not a real person, she's just a pussy to play with. After all, she's just a stripper.
It’s racism at Duke, all right. Racism against white students. Members of the Duke University Lacrosse team may have abused a black party girl, but, without any proof or trial, the Duke Lacrosse team was punished by the university, suspended from further games. So terrified was the administration of being charged with “racism.” The black female wins again. She is truly an ace on the field and in court.
I love this. I just love this. A "black party girl"? First off, stripping is a job, motherfucker. It's not the best job in the world but it's a hell of a lot more honest than some, and if assholes like you weren't in power, maybe fewer people would need to do it. And yeah, this woman totally won. What's a little GANG RAPE got to do with the power of taking them white boys down?
Naturally, the name of the black girl has not been released – appropriate if she is a rape victim, inappropriate if she is engaging in scurrilous race-baiting.
So we should investigate her FIRST to determine whether she's credulous, right? Don't bother with questioning the people at the party or looking at the rape kit. It's all ON HER.
The reports say the woman is a divorced, 27-year-old “mother” of two, attending North Carolina Central University. She is not a person of note, and is said to do exotic dancing as a side job to pick up extra cash.
She's a "mother." Not a real one, hence the quotes. Like the author of this piece has a "soul." Not a person of note, either--so who cares what happens to her, really? Rape away! She doesn't matter!
The entire Duke Lacrosse team and the university may have been severely maligned on all sides. The alleged incident occurred March 13, but as of Sunday, April 2, no charges have been filed against anyone. One report says 46 of the 47 members of the team were required to submit DNA for testing. (The black member of the team, of course, was exempted, since the accuser says she was attacked by white males.)
But if they'd charged people already, you'd be screaming even louder, wouldn't you? Because it would be even MORE "racist" to rush to judgment, wouldn't it? Is this schmuck totally ignorant of investigative procedures or does he think the hourlong format of Law and Order is how things work in the real world?
And of course, it's racist to exclude the black member of the team. It's not like the woman could be expected to have noticed the skin color of her rapists. She's too dumb, the dirty stripper, and you know she'd stand by a brother anyway, because rape doesn't hurt poor people.
The story, as reported in the papers, indicates either profound social retardation on the part of the black “dancer,” or else irrationality on the part of racist-oriented reporters.
There were two women involved, one apparently white (whose name also remains unrevealed), and the other black. Police got a call from the black woman who claimed she had been yelled at by some guy in the rented quasi-frat house of the Lacrosse team. She and her companion nevertheless went back to the house to “dance,” expecting, they say, four or five college boys to be there. Idiotic mistake No. 1.
People do stupid shit all the time, but guess what: even stupid people are entitled to protection under the law. We don't let murderers off because they killed stupid people.
Then, she says, the two women were suddenly surrounded by 40-some boys, all coughing up racial epithets—presumably at the black woman. (Remember, she’s a 27-year-old-mother. Some of the team members are under twenty-one, else how could any of them have been charged with under-aged drinking?) The women then say they were so upset and frightened that they left the house.
Then, “helplessly,” the two women went back! Idiotic mistake No. 2.
SEE ABOVE, MOTHERFUCKER.
Some guy on the porch “coaxed” them back, after which time they claim the black woman was abused. So far, there are no witnesses. (So, what happened to the other woman?)
How many rapes do you know that were committed in front of a dozen witnesses? (Oh, but they'd have to be non-black, non-stripper witnesses to count.)
Two weeks later, the team was suspended from games. The team captains say that the DNA testing will prove that all the members are innocent. This, of course, if true, will mean that it was either an easy set up for the women, or else the fervor of youthful hormones blinded everyone. In the heat of passion, well-ignited before the girls even showed up, there may have been some rough-housing.
Boys will be boys. Bitch should have known better than to go inside.
That should have been a serious tip-off. Of course, a 27-year-old mother of two certainly must have more sense than a drunken 19-year-old, no? However, our nameless victim showed less maturity than a six-year-old.
A 27-year-old mother of two who strips for money probably doesn't have a lot of leeway in choosing her clients, bucko, especially if she wants to keep her children fed. Yeah, she should've had the "sense" to NOT GET RAPED. Because it's so much about her choice.
All the racial issues in this story are moot. This is a tale of stupidity on the part of two women, particularly the black woman.
And at least one monster masquerading as a columnist.
Black advocates are trying to play the racist element to the hilt. Rayone Bland, a black divinity student at Duke, thinks it’s that superiority complex of the rich whites. “So being told ‘No’ for the first time, I mean, is mind-blowing for them,” he observes.
If a rape occurred, it is inexcusable, regardless of the race of the victim or perpetrators. However, all the indications raise serious questions about this situation – and the racial hyperventilating makes the case even muddier.
Let's not worry about the actual victim. Let's worry that the privileged white boys are being persecuted. After all, they lost a season of playing around on a sports field. That's way worse than being violated by three strangers.
So, that black woman said, “No,” eh? First, she’s in a profession where she’s expected to do tricks for clients.
The word you're looking for is "prostitute," you fuckstain. That's not the same as a stripper. And even a prostitute has a right to say no whenever she wants.
Second, she’s walking into a house full of young, drunken athletes, who happen to be white. Third, she called the police and complained once; then she went back, but then left. And then she went back again! That’s a peculiar way of saying “No,” it seems to me.
Bitch should've known she was going to get raped! That must mean she really wanted it after all!
These racist black people just want a role model victim, with mistreatment wreaked upon the weakest of the weak: the black woman. All she has to do is cry, “rape by white male!” and she rules the world.
Learn a little about what "Crying rape" REALLY means before you spout off. Yes, she rules the world. She'll never have to bear the pain of having been raped, of having everyone know the kind of work she took to feed her kids, of being attacked by people like you. She's set for life.
Weak? How about “strong” – as in a strong manipulator?
I don't feel I need to say anything to this.
But she had to have the money, right? She just has to feed those children, pay that tuition, rent, car payment, and books. She’s not on welfare, scholarship, or assistance of any kind? Well, whatever she does receive may not cover her expenses. That’s quite possible.
But she's a whore, so all of this is automatically invalidated, right?
But, exotic dancing—and then to cry “abuse”? This may be pushing victimhood beyond reason.
She should've known better. She's not a real person, she's just a pussy to play with. After all, she's just a stripper.
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I can't come up with any more words than you have to say to this. I am utterly speechless by this pure example.
*runs to own journal to comment further*
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Fucking asshole!
Would say more but you've said everything that's worthy of being said. I might link this on my own LJ if you don't mind. It's surely worthy of it.
The only thing I have to add is this: I don't dispute that there are times when we must cosinder whether the rape is 'real' or not. There are women who cry rape. But look:
1: If I was making a story like this up, why add the stupidity of going into the house three times anyway? I mean... really. It doesn't exactly help the story.
2: What the fuck does she have to gain from it? Especially given her position which means people will take as adding some susspect to the case anyway. If she was gonna cry 'rape' she'd say they assaulted her on the way back home or something like that. I mean, please!
The part that really boils my blood?
So, that black woman said, “No,” eh? First, she’s in a profession where she’s expected to do tricks for clients.
...
Is speachess.
No. Means. No.
You have to get into some pretty fucking exceptional circumstances where that can be argued against. I mean, OK, five seconds away from orgasm and the woman says no? That I buy. Anything else?
Give me a fucking break.
If a woman, or if a *man* says no, then they generally mean no. It's not that fucking difficult!
You know, even if this woman is facking it, I'm still disgusted by this colunist. It's people like him which mean that massive percentages of women get raped all the time and they don't tell anyone.
It's disgusting.
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I just...I want to kill this guy.
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He is screaming about what he feels is a lifetime of society oppressing his rights to be a royal fucktard that spits on people he considers less than human. Just shoot him because he is irredeemable.
Rights to pursue a NCAA championship trump rights to see your attackers investigated. Guys like this don't see that the team, rape or no rape, committed a litany of student and legal violations, and that's why the suspension is a valid response. Nope, it's all about the whore who knew what was coming, deserved it, accepted it, and then cried foul only afterwards for some twisted joy that only he sees.
I am very curious to see what the DNA does or does not do for the case. No one has said "semen" when talking about the tests.
Thanks for the rant. (And congrats on the Bleach article!)
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OH HO. Adjunct professor at University of Oklahoma's College of "Liberal" Studies, huh?
Wonder what the Dean is going to think of this site. *forwards with note*
(You want? The college's site is Here. (http://www.ou.edu/cls/Staff/staff.htm) Go nuts.)
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What we DO know is that there was an accusation, an investigation is ongoing, evidence has been collected, and hopefully at some point we'll either have arrests or not.
I think the point that this professor is trying to make (which is clouded by the way he expressed it) is that IF it turns out that a rape (or an assault) did NOT occur, then the entire Duke lacrosse team has been savaged by the media and where do they go to get their reputations back.
It seems that the 'innocent until proven guilty' concept fails in certain alleged crimes (namely rape).
If they are guilty of a crime, they should be punished to the full extent of the law, attacked in the press also as liars. If they are innocent of the crime, the accuser should be attacked in the press with the same vehemence as the accused were attacked. She should be charged with a crime, and civil action as well taken against her.
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Hey I think she was probably raped, it seems to me something horrid happened there. But if not, I think WOMEN should be the first in line to castigate her because false claims of rape are just as damaging to real victims as anything.
Wow I haven't heard Vincent Bugliosi mentioned in a loooong time.
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Vincent Bugliosi owns. His books are awesome. He's like the Gregory House of lawyers.
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I don't know the details of the case, but the only person I feel bad for is if there was a team member who didn't actually go to the party who is being grouped in with the possibly guilty parties. But if you're at a party and bad things are happening that you witness, not participating is not a defense. Calling 911 is your duty. If you don't turn in your "brothers" for rape, you are as guilty as the rapists.
Trying a rape trial is the worst thing that can happen to a woman. Many women say that it's worse than rape, because in rape, your body is attacked, but in the trial, you relive the physical attack, and then your character is attacked as well. If I am raped 10 years from now, the defense could bring up my wild college days as proof that I was asking for it. When a woman cries rape, she has nothing to gain if it isn't true. Especially if she was raped by people she doesn't know. It's not like sexual harassment. Chances are if she says it happened, it happened.
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I never said they did...actually I said I respected Duke's decision to suspend the season...so we're in agreement
Chances are if she says it happened, it happened.
By saying that though you raise an accusation to a conviction and I think that's wrong.
Most jurisdictions have rape-shield laws which protect from the sort of attacks by a defense you cite.
Generally the only way that information is allowed into evidence is when either a)there have been claims of rape before on the part of the victim; or b)the prosecution is using past sexual history of the defendent
But I do understand the fear that many victims have in coming forward. But that doesn't mitigate the fact that even heinous criminals deserve a fair trial.
I think justice would ultimately be served if this wasn't tried in the media before even an arrest has been made- that's my only criticism.
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Ironically I'm taking a course in Great Trials which deal with (though these are early to mid-20th century) trials in which the media plays a significant role. And in most of those trials (I believe with one exception) everyone was found guilty.
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maleboy crying "oppression." Isn't it telling how with those guys the rapists are always "innocent until proven guilty" (and with the conviction rate for rape, I guess they are all innocent now) and the victims are always guilty? *rages incoherently*